#Theomore Manderly
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beyondmistland · 1 year ago
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In your opinion, would Princess Viserra's fate have changed if she had been promised to Lord Manderly's heir, and not to him?
That is to say, if marriage to the Manderlys were necessary to formalize a pact with the North, perhaps a handsome husband of the same age who would make her Lady of White Harbor would be more interesting to the young princess.
I won't hold back. NOTHING about Viserra's storyline makes any sense short of all the characters having a stroke.
Perceptive and compassionate Alysanne, who previously demonstrated considerable matchmaking skills, suddenly becomes very bad at it. (Don't get me started on Elio Garcia's attempt to defend Alysanne's OOC behavior as her being jealous of her own daughter's beauty.)
Jaehaerys suddenly becomes an absentee father from the 1950s rather than, you know, a medieval king for whom his daughter's marriage is of the utmost political importance.
Septon Barth? Grand Maester Elysar? Both MIA.
Theomore Manderly? If he was truly canny, he would have seen the offer for what it was and declined it.
Its true, the best way to tie the North closer to the south (and more specifically the Iron Throne) short of House Stark is House Manderly. However, marrying Viserra, a princess (and the prettiest one at that) to Theomore entirely defeats that purpose. One, a fat man old enough to be your grandfather is hardly appealing on a personal level, especially to a teen princess who knows just how attractive she is. Two, any children Viserra had would come behind four wives' worth of stepchildren, practically guaranteeing that the future Lords of White Harbor won't share any direct blood ties to House Targaryen, which brings me to my third point. Marrying Viserra to Theomore more or less dooms Viserra's line to obscurity and she herself to a life of dependency on the charity of her stepson.
What, then, would have made way more sense? Marrying her to Desmond, who, as Theomore's great-grandson, would probably be fairly close in age to her, not to mention higher in the succession.
Now, to answer your question, yes I absolutely do believe Viserra might have lived a longer (and perhaps even fulfilling) life if her parents had picked someone other than Theomore Manderly to be her husband. Remember, the whole reason she was even out and about the night of her death was because she wanted to have fun one last time before resigning herself to her fate. If she had instead been looking forward to her wedding she wouldn't have had any incentive to sneak out, which makes the chances of her suffering a tragic accident the way she did in OTL astronomically lower.
Thanks for the question, @diegoedil
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crimsonlyinglilly · 1 year ago
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Expectations and adaptations Part 2
More from Princess Viserra's line, the Mikaelsons in Westeros AU but still before the appearance of any of our mikaelsons, since i've gotten distracted by the their new grandmother
Viserra says her piece to Queen Alysanne.
Warning for Teen pregnancy and mentions of death in childbirth, age gap, arranged marriage and medieval expectation of marriage consummation ect.
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Viserra stands straight beside Theomore and crushes the tiny longing to reach for her mother, for once she was the only one in her mother’s eyes, not her precious boys or loud demanding Saera or scared Daella.
The most beautiful daughter, as everyone had told her since before she understood what the words meant, but the least loved. Viserra had spent her life compared to those that came before her, swallowed by Saera’s shadow, had seen Gael get mother's attention that she has never got. 
Some part of her wondered if her parents resented her for living instead of the brothers that followed, she had spent most of her life wishing one of them had lived then she could have had someone the way Baelon had Alyssa.
Now she had something like that, not quite the way she wanted but she had someone who listened to her, all it had taken was losing everything else she knew, yet it was a freedom.
It could have been worth it but even half the kingdom away mother still only looked at her because she saw another.
The marriage was first arranged for fear of Viserra turning out like Saera and her escape and now mother was here because of Daella and Alyssa.
After all, mother must have flown here as soon as their letter arrived at Kings Landing, news of her being with child had to have brought up the ghost of the past. Even now after Viserra had done her duty to her family it was still her sisters who stood in front of her.
But then, mother hadn't wanted her to do her duty.
Theomore had told her why mother chose him after she noticed his strange lack of demands and that he seemed to prefer the nights where they simply slept beside one another.
Mother hadn't wanted her to bare children, Theomore had promised her it was simply for this marriage, that no doubt she would get a better match once widowed, but he was man who seemed ignorant of the fact beauty and Valyrian blood could each cover much but a marriage without issue would scar her reputation and prospects more than any of Saera games had damaged hers.
Theomore could be excused even after a few months travelling it was clear northerners were a different sort to those she was used to in court.
Mother couldn't, Theomore despite his age and weight was still healthy and hale and had past children, Queen Alysanne knew the blame for the absence of children would be laid in her.
Theomore, her poor old man thought this marriage was to keep her out of trouble and safe, when it was clearly to humiliate her.
Viserra wasn't letting it.
There was one positive of being stuck listening to Saera’s bragging: It was learning of the many ways one could take their pleasure and no matter how much Theomore wanted to be a good man and refuse her, he was a man and she had the looks of a goddess.
She wasn't attracted to him but then she had never been interested in any of the squires she toyed with or the knights and lords that had been eyeing her like meat before she turned ten, even Baelon, she had only gone after in hopes to escape the marriage and being sent away.
It had helped she had found their couplings far easier when she was on top and Theomore had made no comment against it.
Still she would give it to him; he was very good at finding distractions for her, she hadn't had this much access to books and maps since Vaegon had left for the citadel.
She had grown fond of him, his dark hair could almost reminded her of Jocelyn’s, yet not as dark, his loud laugh was deep, warm and somehow nothing like those at court, he listened to her when she couldn't help but share something she had learnt and he answered her questions when she asked.
He saw her as a person, beyond the most beautiful daughter of the queen, past the shadows of her sisters, she was just Viserra to him.
It wasn't something she would give up, besides since they had truly arrived in the north, she had discovered a use for his growing bulk, the north was just as cold as she thought but beside Theomore under their furs it wasn't noticeable.
So Viserra was happy as Lady Manderly, mother should be thankful, yet here the Good Queen Alysanne was standing stiffly in the great hall of Viserra’s new home, a blank smile hiding her displeasure. 
She shouldn’t be surprised; annoyance, disgust, disappointment and worry, it seemed was all she could inspire in her mother.
“Are you here to congratulate me?” she asks, breaking the silence that follows the customary greetings, she doesn’t get an answer because, of course, mother looked from her to address her husband instead.
“We had an agreement Theomore.” Alysanne questioned and Viserra couldn’t help but tighten her grip, thankful for the thickness of northern clothes or not doubt her nails would have drawn blood from Theomore’s arm, even right in front of her mother looking at someone else over her.
“Don’t blame him, I insisted on it.” she spoke before he could, thankfully he was letting her take this as she had asked
“You're too young.” Mother waved her off, she couldn’t help but snort as unattractive as it was ignoring the voice in her head from the septa reminding her of how unprincess-like it was, dressed in Manderly blue-green with her husband three time her age at her side, the septa’s words were long past their usefulness.
“I’m the same age as you when you had Aegon.” she said, biting back the want to remind her; she was years older than mother had been when she had run off with father to avoid a marriage to an older man yet when Viserra fled to Baelon to plead for the same she was cold and ambitious.
Viserra was old enough to be married off, she was older enough to make her own choices, and she had a husband that allowed her to pick them.
“You’ll return with me to king's landing, the grand-maester will watch over-” Mother started, unsurprisingly ignoring her words.
Viserra laughed, she remembered Alyssa; strong, fearless Alyssa fading and dying no matter what all the maesters had done.
“You sent me away, remember,” she replied before she could finish. “Father told me all the political reasons why this marriage was  good for the kingdom’s peace. How’s it going to look to take your peace offering back before the first year is over?”
Even the queen she couldn’t insult her hosts without risking an incident and both mother and father had pressed upon Viserra the importance of the match, they wouldn’t risk it.
The appearance and peace of the kingdoms had always come first.
“Like you don’t trust them,” she answers as she watched mother’s brow furrow, had she truly not thought Viserra would see all the implications, she wasn’t Daella or Saera, “like their lesser, it won't be seen well at all and we can’t have your reputation damaged.”
She had Warwick and Malia, two of Theomore’s grandchildren walk her around the city once they arrived, the smallfolk had looked at her with awe but she had caught a few whispers telling her that Mother and Father weren’t as loved here as the rest of the kingdoms.
It was easy to ignore as Malia had joked about taking her for regular walks around the city would increase commerce while Warwick’s eyes had lit up over an idea for annual tourney with her as a host to gather the best of the north.
It was just the seeds of an idea, Warwick was drawing up plans to present to his father, Theomore’s son and heir and the unofficial Lord of White Harbour since her husband had started to pass his duties over to live his last years in peace. 
But one she could use, she would become the beloved princess of the north and ensure that no one could force her to marry again after Theomore’s death, that she had her children, however many she had would be protected in White Harbour.
She had after all grown up watching mother and father doing the same and she had no want to ever return to the weight of king's landing and the shadows in it. She hadn’t noticed how heavy the place she had always known as home had become in the last few years. Vaegon, Daella and Saera, the halls of the red keep had become hauntingly wrong without the siblings she grew up with and her attempt to cling to Baelon had gone so wrong.
“I lost my dragon cloak for a mermaid, you lost a daughter for the realm’s peace.”
“I haven’t- i won’t lose you.” Mother snapped, breaking her queenly mask to step toward her and reach out.
She could almost almost see how it would play if she gave in and allowed in mother to pull her into a hug, the way she would lose her will and allow herself to be swept back to the red keep, proving Mother’s fears true as she followed Daella and Alyssa, another dead child to join the others in the dark, forgotten. Her child if they lived, they would become another piece for father and the council to use.
Her northern dragon would melt in the south under rules and expectations.
“I will never return South.” she declared suddenly pulling herself away from Theomore to stand straight, using her height to look down at her mother. 
“What, Viserra you-” Mother drew back into shock.
She wasn't going to be her mother's comfort, her third or fourth chance, it was too late for that.
She would not forgive mother for failing to see her, only seeing Saera, she would not go through a pregnancy while the queen hoovered seeing Daella or a labour where it was Alyssa that mother wanted to hold the hand of.
Viserra had lived her life in the shadow of her sisters but white harbour- the north was hers, a place where it was only faded rumours of the other princesses and she was the only one that was real.
She was going to have a family here, one where she was a person of her own and not just a reminder or pale shade of one of those that came before, her children would grow up surrounded by a true family and not the poisoned pit of kings landing.
And if she died, then she would be surrounded by people thinking of her, not her sisters.
If she did follow her grandmother and sisters she would make sure she was left to stay in the north, give her a Vaylrian pyre but leave her ashes to rest with Theomore’s past wives. 
She thought of Daella, dead because father insisted on her marriage, who never caused any trouble and should have been left alone in the red keep. 
Dying scared, hurt and sad.
Even in death she had taken from the lord who loved and treasured her, who she had been happy with because Mother’s wishes came first.
Mother had let Daella pick and she died, mother hadn’t let Viserra choose, she could still die, none of that mattered anymore.
“It’s a vow,” she promised lifting a hand to her heart, “Father and you wanted me out of the way, no longer causing gossip and damage so I will remain here, and upon my death my ashes will be interred alongside Theomore’s other wives.”
She ignored the way Theomore straighten up at her words, she was very aware how much he was against being widowed again, his main request for her since they’re wedding had been a request to outlive him. She would try, if the gods were kind she would have her mother’s luck as the ease of a few children, enough so they wouldn’t grow up alone but it was clear meek or fearless, death came the same for those in her family and the childbed.
One of five is better than one of thirteen, the lone princess among ladies instead of just another of the good queen and the councillor's tragic lost children.
She sighed as she noticed the devastation on mother’s face, normally queenly mask gone
“I love you.” Queen Alysanne told her.
“You don’t even know me.”
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lopata-four · 24 days ago
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Qarlton Chelsted 🗡️, Harrold Langward 👑 and Theomor Manderly 🧜‍♂️
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atopvisenyashill · 1 year ago
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au where stannis actually uses his brain and tells doran he’ll betroth shireen and trystane so if he has no sons, shireen with be queen and trystane can be consort if doran sides with him AND he’ll give him the mountain and tywin’s head and doran is like “shit that sounds a lot easier than that other stuff i got going on”
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kataraavatara · 1 year ago
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“In 86 AC, Queen Alysanne announced the betrothal of her daughter Viserra, fifteen years of age, to Theomore Manderly, the fierce old Lord of White Harbor.”
commission of my bby Viserra from @wodania
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gracielikegrapes · 1 year ago
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If you're still taking requests, please do Viserra. Decked out in purples, and red and golds in Kingslanding OR she reluctantly marries Lord Theomore Manderly and only wears black as if in constant mourning, so fully decked out black and rubies🥹. Hope you have a good day. Take care. Thank you!!!!
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studyofasoiaf · 3 months ago
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Names used in the North
(according to books; names of characters from Northern houses or Northmen, Crannogmen and Hills Clansmen)
- next to the names are either houses which have a character/s with that name or culture of the character/s with that name
Female
Alarra (Stark)
Alys (Karstark, Stark)
Alysane (Mormont)
Alysanne (Stark)
Aregelle (Stark)
Arra (Norrey)
Arrana (Stark)
Arsa (Stark)
Arya (Flint, Stark)
Bandy (Nortmen)
Barba (Bolton)
Barbrey (Ryswell)
Berena (Hornwood, Stark)
Beth (Cassel)
Bethany (Ryswell)
Branda (Stark)
Chayle (Northmen)
Dacey (Mormont)
Danny (Flint)
Donella (Manderly)
Erena (Glover)
Eddara (Tallhart)
Jessamyn (Manderly)
Jeyne (Manderly, Poole)
Jocelyn (Stark)
Jonelle (Cerwyn)
Jorelle (Mormont)
Jyana (Cranngomen)
Leona (Woolfield)
Lyanna (Mormont, Stark)
Lyanne (Glover)
Lyarra (Stark)
Lyessa (Flint)
Lynara (Stark)
Lyra (Mormont)
Lysa (Locke)
Lysara (Karstark)
Maege (Mormont)
Mara (Manderly)
Margaret (Karstark)
Mariah (Stark)
Marna (Locke)
Meera (Reed)
Myriame (Manderly)
Palla (Northmen)
Raya (Stark)
Sansa (Stark)
Sarra (Stark)
Serena (Stark)
Shyra (Northmen)
Sybelle (Locke)
Wylla (Fenn, Manderly)
Wynafryd (Manderly)
Male
Alaric (Stark)
Alyn (Northmen)
Arnolf (Karstark)
Arthor (Karstark)
Artos (Flint, Stark)
Barthogan (Stark)
Bartimus (Northmen)
Belthasar (Bolton)
Benfred (Tallhart)
Benjicot (Branch)
Benjen (Stark)
Bennard (Stark)
Benton (Glover)
Beren (Tallhart)
Beron (Stark)
Billy (Burley)
Bowen (Marsh)
Brandon (Norrey, Stark, Tallhart)
Byam (Flint)
Calon (Nortmen)
Cayn (Northmen)
Cley (Cerwyn)
Cregan (Karstark, Stark)
Cregard (Stark)
Daryn (Hornwood)
Denys (Woodwright)
Desmond (Nortmen)
Domeric (Bolton)
Donnel (Flint, Locke)
Donnor (Stark)
Dorren (Stark)
Duncan (Liddle)
Eddard (Karstark, Stark)
Edderion (Stark)
Edric (Stark)
Edrick (Stark)
Edwyle (Stark)
Edwyn (Stark)
Ellard (Stark)
Elric (Stark)
Errold (Stark)
Ethan (Glover)
Eyron (Stark)
Farlen (Northmen)
Gage (Northmen)
Galbert (Glover)
Gareth (Long)
Garth (Northmen)
Gawen (Glover)
Hallis (Hornwood, Mollen)
Harlon (Stark)
Harmond (Umber)
Harrion (Karstark)
Harwin (Northmen)
Harwood (Stout)
Harys (Hornwood)
Helman (Tallhart)
Heward (Nortmen)
Hoarfrost (Umber)
Hother (Umber)
Howland (Reed)
Hugo (Wull)
Hullen (Northmen)
Jeor (Mormont)
Jojen (Reed)
Jon (Stark, Umber)
Jonnel (Stark)
Jonos (Stark)
Jorah (Mormont, Stark)
Jory (Cassel)
Joseth (Northmen)
Karlon (Karstark, Stark)
Kyle (Condon)
Larence (Hornwood)
Leobald (Tallhart)
Lonnel (Stark)
Lothor (Burley)
Lucantine (Woodwright)
Lucifer (Long)
Luton (Northmen)
Lymond (Fisher)
Mallador (Locke)
Mark (Ryswell)
Marlon (Manderly)
Martyn (Cassel)
Maynard (Holt)
Medger (Cerwyn)
Medrick (Manderly)
Mikken (Northmen)
Morgan (Liddle)
Mors (Umber)
Mortimer (Boggs)
Ned (Woods)
Ondrew (Locke)
Osric (Stark, Umber)
Owen (Norrey)
Quent (Northmen)
Porther (Northmen)
Portifer (Woodwright)
Ramsay (Bolton)
Raymun (Redbeard)
Rickard (Karstark, Liddle, Ryswell, Stark)
Rickon (Stark)
Robard (Cerwyn)
Robb (Stark)
Robett (Glover)
Robin (Flint)
Robyn (Ryswell)
Roderick (Dustin, Stark)
Rodrik (Cassel, Flint, Ryswell, Stark)
Rodwell (Stark)
Rogar (Bolton)
Roger (Ryswell)
Ronnel (Harclay, Stout)
Roose (Bolton, Ryswell)
Royce (Bolton)
Timotty (Northman)
Theo (Wull)
Theodan (Wells)
Theomore (Manderly)
Theon (Stark)
Tomard (Northmen)
Torghen (Flint)
Torren (Liddle)
Torrhen (Karstark, Manderly, Stark)
Tym (Northmen)
Varly (Northmen)
Vayon (Poole)
Walder (Northmen)
Walton (Stark)
Warrick (Manderly)
Wayn (Northmen)
Wendel (Manderly)
Willam (Dustin, Stark, Wells)
Wyl (Northmen)
Wylis (Manderly)
Wyman (Manderly)
Wynton (Stout)
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novaursa · 3 months ago
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Tis' me!!! Can I please request a little piece, in the "in universe historical accounts" format: male!reader who Viserra turns to after they betroth her to Manderly, being a surviving twin of Gaemon. Reader, fucking OUTRAGED at his parents (yes, I know being married to an old man was the norm, but you can't tell me people would not feel at least a bit of sympathy), marries Viserra at 14 and she is 15. Jaehaerys is angry, bc Saera happened not that long ago, but Reader calls BS because Jaehaerys did the exact same thing with Alysanne. (Please, let them have a happy-ish ending, I feel like Alysanne's kids did not get the endings they deserved)
The Rogue and the Rose
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- Summary: Historical records of Prince Y/N that stole his sister and defied his father, King Jaehaerys I.
- Pairing: brother!reader/Viserra Targaryen
- Rating: Mature 16+
- Tag(s): @sachaa-ff @oxymakestheworldgoround @idenyimimdenial @literaturedog
- A/N: I had a lot of fun tonight with this one. 😉
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The Rogue and the Rose
As recorded by Archmaester Gyldayne of the Citadel of Oldtown, in his "Annals of the Later Years of King Jaehaerys I Targaryen"
In the thirtieth year of the reign of King Jaehaerys I Targaryen, the court was still reeling from the scandal of Princess Saera’s exile across the Narrow Sea. The King, weary of his daughters' willfulness, sought to secure the virtue and loyalty of his youngest, Princess Viserra, then but fourteen years of age. It was thus that he arranged a betrothal between her and Lord Theomore Manderly, an aging widower thrice her age. The wedding was to take place within the year.
Viserra was said to have wept at the news, though whether from heartbreak or outrage, the histories cannot say. “A flower, plucked too soon,” wrote Septon Barth, “was to be pressed between the pages of duty, and sealed away in a tomb of grey stone and icy winds.”
Yet it was not Viserra’s tears that set the realm to whispering, but her feet. That very night, after the royal decree, the young princess vanished from her chambers in Maegor’s Holdfast, slipping unseen past the guards with only a velvet cloak upon her shoulders. She was not seen again until a raven arrived at King’s Landing three days later—bearing word from Dragonstone.
There, upon the smoking slopes of the mount, she had sought refuge in the ancient seat of her House, in the arms of her brother—the surviving twin of Prince Gaemon, and last-born son of Queen Alysanne. You had returned not long before from the eastern shores, a warrior and dragonrider of some repute despite your young age, having long spurned courtly life for a more tempestuous existence across the Narrow Sea.
It is said that the princess came to you in tears, trembling with rage and desperation. She found you alone in the old Hall of Whispers, seated beneath the great black-and-gold tapestries of Old Valyria. Some claim she fell to her knees before you, clutching your hand in hers, begging you to save her from a life of cold towers and old men. Others say she kissed you before a word had passed between you.
What passed between the two of you that night remains a matter of speculation and scandal. Septon Barth wrote, “It is not for maesters to judge the hearts of dragons, only to record where they burn.” But Grand Maester Benifer, in a letter to the Archmaesters of the Citadel, wrote more plainly: “It is said they lay together that night. The heat of dragonblood defies all bonds—even those of kinship.”
By morning, you had summoned the septon of Dragonstone, and with smoke curling from the caldera behind you, you took Viserra to wife beneath the pale light of Dragonstone. Her hair, unbound, whipped in the wind as she spoke her vows. You stood with her, hand in hand, while your dragon—young Aeraryx—shrieked and coiled above, his cries echoing against the cliffs.
When the raven came to King Jaehaerys, he received it in the Council chamber with Queen Alysanne at his side. Those who stood present described the King’s fury as unmatched even by the days of Saera’s disgrace. “Another daughter stolen,” he said, “but this time by my own son.”
The King’s fury was not unjustified. Saera’s scandal had bruised the realm’s reputation. But where Saera had vanished with sellswords and sailors, Viserra had fled into the arms of her own blood. To Jaehaerys, this was not merely defiance—it was abomination.
You were summoned to court, though you did not come. Some say Jaehaerys considered stripping you of titles, lands, and dragon. Others say it was Queen Alysanne who intervened, weary of loss, and begged her husband to spare yet another child from banishment. Still others whisper that Alysanne herself had once defied the Iron Throne in her youth and could not abide seeing her daughter punished for a fire she herself had passed on.
For months, the court was split. Septons raged in sermons. Lords muttered of cursed blood and Valyrian madness. But on Dragonstone, you were unbothered. Viserra sat beside you in the old Queen’s solar, draped in black and crimson, her hand resting lightly atop yours. You trained with your men at arms, hunted in the volcanic wilds, and returned to her each night as husband—not as brother.
Thus was the union of Princess Viserra and her brother, the youngest son of Queen Alysanne and King Jaehaerys—unblessed by crown, sept, or gods, but bound by dragonfire and blood.
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The following year brought little peace to King Jaehaerys, though the realm at large remained stable. What had once been hailed as the King’s greatest triumph—peace, prosperity, and unity—now seemed tarnished by the unrest within his own house. The scandal of Princess Viserra’s flight and marriage to her brother, Prince Y/N, had not abated, and tongues wagged in every hall from Gulltown to Oldtown.
King Jaehaerys summoned them to court thrice, and thrice no reply was sent. It was whispered that ravens sent to Dragonstone never returned. The smallfolk muttered that the dragons there were hungrier than they should be.
In the twenty-third moon of that year, Jaehaerys dispatched Ser Ryam Redwyne with a company of knights to Dragonstone bearing the King’s seal, a royal writ, and a demand: that you, his son, and your bride, the Princess Viserra, present yourselves before the Iron Throne to answer for your defiance and stand judgment beneath the eyes of gods and men.
Ser Ryam returned a fortnight later with torn banners and a scorched shield. Aeraryx had met them above the cliffs—wings wide, black as void, and wreathed in pale green fire. The King's knights had been spared, but only just. “He said,” Ser Ryam reported, “Tell my father that if he wishes to pass judgment on me, let him come and say it to my face—if he dares.”
That same night, it is said, Queen Alysanne went to her husband’s solar and shut the door behind her. Their voices were not raised, but those who served them later wrote that Alysanne’s face bore the grief of a mother shattered. “Do not forget what you once did,” she was heard to say. “You chose me when all said you should not.”
The King’s answer to that is not recorded, but the next morning a royal decree was drawn: the marriage of Viserra and Y/N was to be declared unlawful. The Princess was to be returned to court and cloistered in the Motherhouse at Oldtown. You were to be stripped of your name, your titles, and your dragon. The Grand Maester refused to sign the decree. So did the Lord Commander. Even Queen Alysanne turned her face to the window and would not touch her quill.
But you had no intention of returning.
That very same week, as a warm summer wind swept across Blackwater Bay, the watchers on the White Tower beheld two dragons circling above the city—Aeraryx and young Aerionyx, Viserra’s hatchling. They circled thrice before turning eastward, their riders seated side by side.
The sky turned to fire and bronze as the dragons beat their wings over the Narrow Sea, leaving the Crownlands behind in a storm of ash and wind. It was the last the realm ever saw of you.
Some say you flew to Volantis, where the red priests hailed Viserra as the bride of flame. Others insist you disappeared into the ruins of Valyria, seeking to carve out a kingdom of your own amidst smoking bones and stone beasts. There are even sailors who swear they saw a pale-haired woman walking the black sands of Leng, hand in hand with a man of silver and steel.
But these are tales for singers, not maesters.
What is known is this: Queen Alysanne never again spoke of her youngest son, nor did she attend court in the final year of her life. Her laughter, once bright, faded like the morning mist, and her eyes turned often to the sky. Servants would find her weeping in the Queen’s garden, whispering Viserra’s name as though the roses might answer.
When she died, she was buried with a lock of silver hair wrapped in silk beside her heart. The King spoke no words over her grave.
He lived for seven more years, but his crown grew heavier with each passing season, and his hall grew colder. Some say the final crack in the Dragon Throne began not with war or rebellion, but with a kiss beneath the shadow of Dragonstone—and the sound of two dragons taking flight into exile.
Whether it was love or pride that drove you to take your sister, only the Stranger knows. But the consequences of that union would echo long after both your dragons were dust.
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witchthewriter · 5 months ago
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What do you think would’ve happened if Viserra Targaryen never died in 87 AC?
Oh yes, oh how I love What If! scenarios...thank you dear anon.
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𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐰𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐡𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐢𝐟 𝐕𝐢𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐫𝐚 𝐓𝐚𝐫𝐠𝐚𝐫𝐲𝐞𝐧 𝐧𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐝𝐢𝐞𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐠:
・We all know that Viserra had a complex relationship with both her parents and siblings.
・She was one of the younger daughters of Alysanne & Jaeherys, with many older siblings who were already securing their places in court and Targaryen history.
・Viserra admired her older sister, Saera, who had rejected the expectations placed on her.
・While Saera eventually fled to Lys to live life on her own terms, Viserra wanted to carve out her power within Westeros rather than abandon her place entirely.
・That was Viserra's biggest desire...and why shouldn't she want that? She was denied a dragon, a dragon egg - all she wanted was a good match with someone handsome that would make her a queen in one way or another.
・So, if she had not died that night, her life could have taken many different paths ...
・If she had reluctantly married Theomore Manderly, she would have become Lady of White Harbor, a position of significant power in the North.
・White Harbor, was one of the wealthiest and most influential cities in the North, it could have given her some level of political influence, but it was far from the center of power in King's Landing (where she really wanted to be)
・However, Viserra was not suited to being tucked away in a northern court. She thrived on attention, admiration, and political maneuvering, and she might have found life in White Harbor suffocating.
・She could have followed the path of women like Rhaenyra Targaryen or Daena Targaryen (Daena the Defiant), defying expectations by taking lovers.
・Now this may have gotten around to Theomore and with his reputation of being widowed twice ... is suspicious.
・A different path: given her attempt to seduce Baelon before her death, it’s possible that she would have continued trying to entangle herself with a more powerful match.
・She may have decided to become pregnant by someone of significance (perhaps even a Targaryen), she might have leveraged her child’s bloodline to secure power for herself.
・If she somehow managed to stay at court, whether by avoiding marriage or becoming widowed early, Viserra could have become a major political player.
・She could have played a role in the growing political tensions of House Targaryen, perhaps influencing succession or allying herself with powerful Houses at court.
・Given her impulsive nature and defiance, she might have eventually fallen from favor.
・In the worst-case scenario, she could have met a fate similar to Saera, who was disowned and cast aside after her defiance.
・If so, she would seek out her sister and ask for her help. Maybe even becoming apart of Saera's own empire and growing from there.
・Ultimately, had she survived, Viserra could have changed the course of Targaryen history.
・Whether she would have risen to power or fallen into scandal remains an open question.
𝒂𝒓𝒕 𝒄𝒓𝒆𝒅𝒊𝒕:
by @novembermorgon
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goodqueenaly · 5 months ago
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i didn't know if you answered this before but i'm curious about what you think of alysanne and viserra's relationship. jaehaerys is a pretty bad dad to most of his daughters esp. but alysanne seemed fine to me in f&b except with viserra for some reason. she seems weirdly accusing towards her own daughter? like it's fine if viserra reminds her of saera in personality but she seemed more forgiving of the daughter that caused a huge scandal and left westeros than the one she thought of as too ambitious. like viserra wanting to marry baelon. alyssa was dead at that point, and it was possible baelon could take a second wife if he wanted. they are targs so a brother-sister marriage isn't out of the question. why was she so against it that she thought marrying viserra to old man manderly was the solution? it felt like an out of proportion punishment to me, especially because there were plenty of other heirs in westeros that were likely age appropriate. it wasn't even a pragmatic decision bc lord manderly already had a heir. what do you think?
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I have said before and I’ll say it again, I very strongly dislike the Viserra portion of Fire and Blood. I consider the Viserra story exceptionally poorly written, in a book that I find overall to be a subpar expression of the author’s genuine talent. Viserra exists in this narrative, I believe, only to be a B-tier version of her sister Saera, a villain in her parents’ story rather than a multi-dimensional character in her own right. Fire and Blood does not present Viserra as a sympathetic, much less heroic or laudatory, figure, but rather as a Rich Bitch, a Vamp, a “sly” schemer whose (so the story portrays) selfishness to the point of death emotionally devastated her mother and contributed to a break in the relationship between king and queen. 
I’ve also gone on the record as saying that the writing around the marriages of Jaehaerys and Alysanne’s daughters in Fire and Blood seems to me largely clumsy, irrational, and/or just plain nonsensical. Politico-dynastic justifications are almost nonexistent in these unions or would-be unions, with instead a bizarre (for the blue-blooded actors in-universe) emphasis on marriages for love. (That the Lord of the Seven Kingdoms is seen to refuse virtually any responsibility or agency in selecting spouses for his daughters speaks volumes to how absurd Fire and Blood’s approach to these marriages is.) Consequently, trying to apply anything resembling what we might call standard royal or aristocratic logic to the question of Viserra’s marriage is, I think, an ultimately futile task. While Fire and Blood makes half-hearted attempts to explain some alleged gain from Viserra’s betrothal to Lord Manderly, ultimately the explanation is at best thin and does not support Alysanne’s vehement insistence that Viserra marry Theomore 
So all that said - what do I take away at the end of the day regarding the relationship between Alysanne and Viserra? Perhaps the least sinister - emphasis on least - reading of the situation is that Alysanne wanted Viserra to have what Alysanne believed would be a loving marriage with a man Alysanne believed would care for Viserra. The argument from Alysanne in favor of Lord Manderly was largely founded on what Alysanne believed were Theomore’s personal qualities: Gyldayn notes that the queen “was very fond of him … remembering the warm welcome he had given her during her first visit to the North” and later insisted to Viserra that Lord Manderly was “a good man … a wise man, with a kind heart and a good head on his shoulders”. Having idealized the similarly much older (certainly relatively to his prospective bride) Rodrik Arryn because Lord Arryn was “a kind and gentle man” who had “loved our little girl for years”, a man Alysanne said she knew would “protect her [i.e. Daella]”, perhaps Alysanne saw Theomore in much the same light - a kind elder statesman who would watch over and guard his princess bride and whose longstanding loyalty to the royal couple was cherished.  
It’s also possible, I think, that in line with such a personal, even sentimental approach to marriage making, Alysanne was reluctant to have Viserra replace her daughter Alyssa as Baelon’s wife. Alysanne, after all, had been the one to champion the Baelon-Alyssa marriage, declaring to Jaehaerys that “Alyssa [was] for Baelon” because “[s]he ha[d] been following him around since she could walk” and the siblings were “as close as you and I were at their age”. In turn, perhaps Alysanne had decided that no one could, or should, replace Alyssa as Baelon’s beloved wife - including, maybe especially, the ambitious Viserra. Alysanne critically observed that Viserra “aim[ed] much higher” than the boys and squires she apparently teased, and that Baelon was “the husband she desire[d], but “not for love of him”, only out of a desire “to be the queen” - an objection seemingly prioritizing love over political ambition, with Alysanne clearly believing Viserra had only the latter. Having herself eloped with Jaehaerys for love, to escape an unwanted political union with Rogar Baratheon’s brother Orryn, Alysanne may have wanted to avoid a marriage made only for the political advantage of one of the spouses (while, of course, completely apparently failing to recognize Vserra’s eventually fatal desperation to do the same as her mother had ahead of her Manderly marriage)
Too, in the aftermath of both the Saera affair and the search for a husband for Daella, I think Alysanne may have been unwilling to let Viserra have a personal court of young noblemen from which to choose her suitors and/or eventual husband. Having herself censured Saera for the sexual relationships the latter engaged in with three aristocrats of an age with her, and having witnessed Jaehaerys’ brutal response to that situation (including Jaehaerys’ cruel opinion that Saera “always was” a “whore”), Alysanne may have believed that the only way to prevent a similar situation was to remove Viserra from her court of admirers (and, of course, her father) and send her to the other side of Westeros. The solution, as Alysanne had determined for Daella, was to find Viserra a great lord for a husband who give her “wealth and position” while also being (as Gyldayn described Rodrik Arryn) “a leal friend to both king and queen”, an “able lord, strong but just, affable, open-handed, loved by the smallfolk and his lords bannermen alike”.
Again, these explanations do not at all justify either the lack of apparent political value to the marriage or the seeming inability or unwillingness of Alysanne to recognize the creepiness inherent in such a union. At no point did Alysanne (much less Jaehaerys, who again inexplicably washed his hands of the matter) seem to consider that a lord with multiple children and grandchildren already could offer little in the way of long-term dynastic investment in exchange for the significant boon one of the only remaining royal children, nor seemingly consider whether the Starks would have been a viable alternative solution (or, indeed, what the Starks who apparently resented what I call the Donation of Alysanne would have thought of the king and queen betrothing their daughter to their richest and perhaps most powerful bannerman). Too, just as I previously noted how much of a fucking creep Rodrik Arryn was, (and, by extension, how disturbing it was that first Alysanne and then Jaehaerys seized so eagerly on him as a husband for Daella), so I need to emphasize here that Alysanne was actively, and equally disturbingly, championing marrying off her 15 year old daughter to a man probably at least five decades her senior (described even by Gyldayn as “old” when this marriage was being arranged), who had himself already been married four times. (Jaehaerys should also be criticized here, of course, for his complete lack of empathy for or engagement, no pun intended, in Viserra’s nuptial dilemma.) In every way, it’s a bad story.
(Those are just the least sinister interpretations, I believe. I’m not even dealing with Elio Garcia’s “Alysanne was allegedly jealous of Viserra's beauty and charm and wanted her away from court for that reason” because I can’t deal with another example of him making a bad book that much worse. Nor do I really want to engage with the much more substantively awful theories around Jaeherys’ treatment of his daughters. It would be interesting to speculate how much Alysanne feared Viserra’s eagerness to become Baelon’s wife in order to push Baelon as the heir presumptive ahead of Princess Rhaenys, but that would have required the author to care even remotely about describing the politico-dynastic dynamic around the succession.)
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maicrzs · 9 months ago
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Viserra Targaryen 🪞
"According to Alysanne, Viserra aimed to become a queen and had her eye set on her fourteen-year older brother, Baelon, who had been a widower since the death of his sister-wife Alyssa two years before. Viserra saw no reason as to why she could not be wed to an older brother. Queen Alysanne, however, was determined to prevent such a marriage, and betrothed the fifteen-year old Viserra in 86 AC to Theomore Manderly, Lord of White Harbor. Viserra was not excited about the marriage, as Theomore had grown very stout during his life and had been widowed four times already. Viserra first turned to her father for help, but Jaehaerys agreed with the match and refused to interfere. Viserra then turned to Baelon, hoping for him to rescue her according to court gossip. One night, she slipped past Baelon's guards and climbed naked into his bed, but Baelon sent the drunk girl away when he arrived."
On my last post, I told yall my laptop was broken and I was financially (and mentally bc of that) unstable.
Now, 3 months after, I'm finally back with good news!
I fixed my laptop, I got a new job (that's draining me to the bone but at least it means that I'm not gonna starve yay) and I finished my Viserra piece as was requested many many months ago (maybe a year)
I hope you guys like this one and thar I can post more often at least once a week but we'll see ❤️
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green-aeggs-and-spam · 2 years ago
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Much has already been said about the various ways that Jaehaerys has neglected, demeaned, and abused his daughters, so I'm going to talk about their marriages (particularly for the younger girls).
Daella and Viserra are both matched off to much older men who already have heirs of their own from a first wife - any children of theirs would inherit nothing. Then there's Saera - Jaehaerys considered all of her teenage companions to be promising matches, except they're really not. They are heirs, but Houses Mooton, Connington, and Beesbury aren't particularly impressive. They're not Lords Paramount (Rodrik Arryn - Daella) and they're not even prominent vassals (Theomore Manderly - Viserra).
So, what gives? Why is Jaehaerys organizing such terrible marriages for his daughters?
My theory: he's intentionally organizing bad matches as a means of limiting the number of half-Targaryens who could one day challenge for the Iron Throne.
The formative experience of his childhood was Maegor usurping the Throne, and one of the challenges of his early reign was Rogar Baratheon attempting a coup to crown his niece Rhaella (who may or may not have been Aerea). Queen Rhaena could have pushed her own claim after Maegor died, and Jaehaerys is lucky that she didn't. Then there's Aerea, an angry teenage girl who was upset about losing her position as heir and upset about being stuck on Dragonstone with her mother, who went and claimed Balerion when left unsupervised. Imagine if she'd successfully commanded Balerion to fly to King's Landing to push her claim - that's not a fight Jaehaerys and Alysanne could have won.
Branches of House Targaryen are a threat. Nieces and nephews and cousins with Targaryen blood are a threat. If preventing that threat means marrying all of his girls off to old men and letting their children inherit nothing, then so be it. Aemon and Baelon are the only ones who really matter.
Jaehaerys wanted to give Alyssa to his heir Aemon, but Alysanne insisted she was "for Baelon," so he accepts this one branch while keeping an eye on them. He ensures his sons are close and sets up Baelon as a future Hand of the King for Aemon. Viserys and Daemon don't receive cradle eggs, and neither one of them claims a dragon (or is allowed to claim, if I were to guess) until after their father Baelon becomes heir apparent. When an eventual succession crisis arrives, Jaehaerys settles the issue clearly and publicly through a Great Council.
As for the other possible branches? Even if all of his younger daughters had married, even if all of them had sons, those sons wouldn't be in any position to challenge the Throne. Maybe a half-Targaryen Lord Arryn would be a threat; a third son of House Arryn wouldn't be, nor would a fourth son of House Manderly. A half-Targaryen Lord Mooton or Connington or Beesbury could never muster an army or gather enough support for his claim. If his daughters have daughters? As evidenced by Aemma, they'll have no better prospects than a Targaryen prince as husband.
His daughters have no value as people who deserve happiness. They're either brides for his sons, tools to be used, or obstacles to be removed.
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crimsonlyinglilly · 1 year ago
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Expectations and adaptations
More from Princess Viserra's line, the Mikaelsons in Westeros AU but before the appearance of any of our mikaelsons.
Theomore adapt to his new wife as nothing goes as he expect it and Viserra finds a freedom in being Lady Manderly.
Warning for underage and age gap, arranged marriage andmedieval expectation of marriage consummation ect.
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They married as soon as the Maesters declared the princess well enough, even as he, Prince Baelor and the Queen had tried to argue to wait, at least until the bruises from her fall healed but the king in his rage had refused.
If Princess Viserra thought her near death would soften her father to her, she was wrong, however at the news the girl had simply lifted her head and smiled and said that purple always suited her.
He couldn’t help but pity the girl, his new wife, it was clear she was being punished for her elder sister’s actions by her father and due to her mother’s fear, Theomore may have been a good match decades ago but now he was far short of what a Targaryen princess deserved.
Too old and past his prime with many heirs already securing his succession and having already started to pass over his powers to his son so he could spend more of his last years with his grandchildren.
Theomore had agreed to it for Alysanne sake, it was clear losing daughter after daughter had fractured the once strong queen.
While he was lucky not to have lost a daughter to the birthing bed, he knew the loss, a sister, a niece and two of his previous wives had been lost that way, so this marriage was simply to spare his friend another loss, a companion in his last years with a smart girl until she came into herself.
The marriage was never meant to bear fruit, for all his house may have wanted to brag about adding Valyrian blood to the family. Perhaps after the queen and his own death, he had thought then his widow could wed a nephew or grandson, closer in age and let his house have the Valyrian blood, once the girl had lived more than a mere fifteen years.
 He had White Harbour's wealth and reach across to Essos, enough to distract the young woman from what she lost, once she adapted to the cold. 
The fact many in the north would flock to see the blood of Old Valyria should be a balm to her vanity.
He meant it when he had promised Alysanne he would treasure her, spoil her, the way he did his daughters, nieces and granddaughters.
A wise man knew there was a line between overindulging children and crushing them under demands, something he had learnt before he had his own, watching his sisters’ frustrations
 but it seemed in this as time went on the king had lost that wisdom.
He bedded her on the wedding night to settle the marriage but had been expecting the girl to avoid him following it; he had made sure her separate cabin had all the comforts for their journey home.
He hadn't expected the girl to arrive at his cabin the next night and demand it.
“I'm your wife, you're my husband, I'm not a whore. You're the only one I can take pleasure from. I'm not Saera.” she had told him, her eyes clear as she spoke of her duty even as she spat her sister’s name.
If he was a stronger man he would have refused, sent her away but he wasn’t.
He tried to find other ways to distract her instead during the day, Alysanne had described her daughter as intelligent in the same breath as vain and her charm was well known throughout the seven kingdoms even at her age.
He convinced his grandchildren to reach out to her, since the king had sent all her companions away after the accident, an so Theomore had already started a list of young ladies from the north that would be honoured to stay at white harbour, he would give her a court of her own if she wished for it.
He hadn’t expected her interest in learning how to sail, nor she sudden questions on how House Manderly managed their holding and merchant interest.
It seemed Queen Alysanne had in fact been underselling the girl's intelligence, her curiosity turned into a thirst for knowledge quickly.
They took their time returning to White harbour, taking a detour to several of the free cities , each time he’s a little less surprised at her return to the ship.
In Lys, his grandson had needed to hold the princess back from attacking the messenger, summoning her to see her sister. They left Lys that night and he listened to her rage until she had thrown herself onto the bed.
She didn’t cry but he knew by the way she blinked she wanted to, Theomore knew enough of the royal couple that Princess Saera’s fleeing had hurt them both but he wondered what it was like for her to lose the sister closest in age, watch her parents care and then suffer for her sins.
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By the time they reach White Harbour, Viserra has already missed her first moon's blood, despite Theomore’s best attempts.
She’s pleased by it seems and Theomore hates that he doesn’t know her enough to be able to tell if it’s true or hiding fear. He knew his other wives well enough but Viserra grew up in court surrounded by vipers, Theomore doubts he’d ever develop a mask as well as her even if he lived twice as long. 
Her grandmother, Alyssa Velaryon, her sisters; the Princesses Alyssa and Daella, the princess had enough reasons to fear and yet the girl seemed delighted at the idea of a child of her own.
Her little northern dragon, safe to grow free from the court and its eyes.
Still Theomore had wedded her on the idea that this would not be a danger for a few years to come.
He’s not surprised to be woken at news of Silverwing’s arrival, or to arrive at his own great hall to see a blank polite smile on Queen Alysanne’s face.
He knows Viserra sees the threat it is, but then again while she was the good queen to the rest of the seven kingdoms, to Viserra she was the mother that arranged the match to send her away.
So Viserra greets her mother loudly, but her arm linked with his and she made no move closer to the queen.
For the first time in their marriage Theomore truly realised that his wife was a dragon, he was a truly unfortunate realisation as he found himself between a pair of them.
All her life Viserra had been told was the blood of the dragon, a Princess of the blood, the image of a goddess of valyria, she was fire and blood.
All manner of childish tales, only to have them shattered as she learnt the only place a woman had was brood mare even blood of old valyria could change what laid between her legs.
But she was no longer a child, she was Lady Manderly now, she had grown fond of her old man and comfortable with the freedom that he granted her.
Her smile was as cold as her new home as she met her mothers’.
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vesper-the-solitaire · 4 months ago
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The thirteen children of Jaehaerys I and Alysanne
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Jaehaerys and Alysanne Targaryen had thirteen children, more than any other royal couple in the history of the Seven Kingdoms, but only two survived their parents:
Aegon (51-51 AC). He was born prematurely and lived only three days. Alysanne always blamed for his death the attack on her life she had suffered early in her pregnancy.
Daenerys (53-60 AC), known as "the darling of the realm". Daenerys was a beautiful and healthy little girl, considered by all to be a true joy. At the age of two, at a tournament, she was crowned Queen of Love and Beauty by Simon Dondarrion. She died at age six due to illness, breaking her parents' hearts.
Aemon (55-92 AC), prince of Dragonstone. He was serious, staid, and fond of reading, bonded for life with his younger brother Baelon. He rode the dragon Caraxes. He married his half-aunt Jocelyn Baratheon and was the father of Rhaenys Targaryen, the Queen Who Never Was. He died during a raid against Myrish pirates.
Baelon (57-101), prince of Dragonstone after Aemon's death. Known as The Spring Prince and Baelon the Brave, he was cheerful and gifted in the arts of chivalry. He was Vhagar's dragonrider. He married his younger sister Alyssa, and was father of Viserys I and Daemon the Rogue Prince. He was devoted to his wife to the point that, after her untimely death, he chose to have nothing more to do with love. He died due to a "burst belly".
Alyssa (60-84 AC). The least princely princess in the story, dragonrider of Meleys, the Red Queen. Peculiar from her appearance (she had dirty blonde hair, a crooked nose, protruding ears and mismatched eyes, one green and one purple), the only "feminine" activity she loved was having children with her husband. Unfortunately this proved fatal: she never recovered from her third birth and died six months later, at twenty-four, and the child, Aegon, followed her within a few months.
Maegelle (62-96 AC). Compassionate, devout and dedicated to study, very intelligent, she choose to became a septa. She was fundamental in resolving the most serious disagreements between her parents. She died of greyscale, having been infected during her work caring for children affected by the disease.
Vaegon (born in 63 AC). Known as the Dragonless, he was one of two children to survive his parents. Of a closed and solitary nature, but very cultured, Vaegon struggled to find his place in the world, until he was sent to the Citadel to become Archmaester.
Daella (64-82 AC). The most fragile of her siblings, Daella was sweet, but was known to be afraid of everything. Unable to figure out what to do with her, Jaehaerys forced Alysanne to find her a husband. Daella then married Rodrik Arryn, Lord of the Eyrie, but died in childbirth a year later, giving birth to her only daughter, Aemma, who would become queen as the wife of her cousin Viserys I and mother of Rhaenyra Targaryen.
Saera (born in 67 AC). The second and last child to survive her parents. Saera was the most uncontrollable and problematic of the siblings and received little sympathy from them. After causing a huge sex scandal, she ended up fleeing to Essos, where she first became a prostitute and then the owner of a pleasure house. She had at least three children, three sons, from as many fathers.
Viserra (71-87 AC). The most beautiful of the sisters, she had a strong character and her parents feared she might become a second Saera. Forced to marry Lord Theomore Manderly, fat, forty years her senior, a four-time widower and father of many children, and to move in the extreme North, Viserra ran away to town for one last night of entertainment, but was thrown from her horse and fell, breaking her neck.
Gaemon (73-73 AC). Small and fragile, he lived only three months.
Valerion (77-78). Like his brother, he was sickly at birth and, despite treatment, died two weeks before his first name day.
Gael (80-99 AC). The last child, born when Alysanne was convinced she was now beyond her childbearing years. Considered "simple", she was her mother's main company in her last years, but Gael committed suicide by drowning when, after being seduced by a passing musician, she gave birth to a stillborn son.
If anyone would like to see a graphic focused on any of them, let me know in the comments or send me a request.
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reignof-fyre · 22 days ago
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Dragons are not a Targaryen birthright!!!
So, an argument I've seen all over the internet (mostly by team greenies) is that aemond wasn't in the wrong claiming vhagar because having a dragon is his birthright.
Incorrect. So, so incorrect.
If having a dragon was a Targaryen birthright then every single Targaryen born since the conquest would have had a dragon, but they didn't, because it's not a birthright.
King Jaehaerys forbade almost all of his children from having a dragon. The only children of his tovhave a dragon? Aemon, the once-heir to the throne was rider of Caraxes. Then he died. Baelon claimed Vhagar, and he too was heir until his murder untimely death. Baelon's wife, Alyssa, who was a Targaryen by birth and marriage. Meleys was her mount, and she remained firmly in the hands of House Targaryen before her murder death.
Rhaenys, Aemon's only child and heir claimed a dragon - Meleys - after Alyssa's death and prior to marrying Corlys Velaryon. I do believe Jaehaerys hoped and prayed that Rhaenys would wisely choose to marry Viserys, but she didn't and the groomer/creepy icky Corlys (who was 37 to Rhaenys' 16) somehow made her think he loved her and not the throne and they married. This, imo, solidified Jaehaerys not wanting Rhaenys to be heir because of Corlys. But it was also too late for Jaehaerys to nix Rhaenys getting a dragon, because she'd claimed Meleys before marrying. U betcha that he'd have forbidden it if she tried to claim a dragon post marriage.
Laenor did claim Seasmoke, but by this time Jaehaerys was 2 years from death and pretty well bedridden. Likely Seasmoke's egg came from Meleys and Rhaenys allowed Laenor to claim the hatchling. Jaehaerys was long dead when Laena claimed Vhagar, and Viserys was king and we all know he's spineless and stupid.
Jaehaerys' other kids weren't allowed dragons. He pretty well expressly forbade it because most of his surviving children were daughters he wanted sold off to the oldest and highest bidder because Jaehaerys was a misogynistic cunt :)
Daella - poor, sweet, gentle Daella - was shipped to the eyrie at 18 and died shortly thereafter in childbirth. She wasn't allowed to claim a dragon because she married outside of House Targaryen.
(Maegelle and Vaegon became a septa and maester respectively)
This is what happened to Saera:
Instead, Saera escaped her confinement that night and attempted to enter the Dragonpit, only to be caught by the Dragonkeepers. Enraged by this attempt of stealing a dragon, Jaehaerys had her confined to a tower cell, where Jonquil Darke, Queen Alysanne's personal guard, stood watch over her every moment of the day.
It is possible to steal a dragon. Even when the child of a king. So...
Viserra never tried to claim a dragon or was given the chance, and died the night before she was to be shipped off to marry Lord Theomore Manderly at 15. She died of a broken neck.
Gaemon and Valerion died young, and neither even had a dragon egg in their cradles. Nor did any of Jaehaerys' children, despite Queen Rhaena having put eggs in Jaehaerys and Alysanne's cribs.
Gael, who was the youngest and most sheltered/coddled of Alysanne and Jaehaerys' children, didn't have a dragon either.
Viserys, grandson of Jaehaerys and heir-apparent of Baelon, briefly bonded with Balerion the Black dread before the icons death. He never tried to claim another.
Daemon claimed Caraxes. He was the heir-apparent of the heir-apparent.
Rhaenyra had a dragon egg placed in her cradle, likely against Jaehaerys' wishes as she was a girl (and not heir material in the old misogynistic cunts eyes). I believe that it was Daemon who put the egg in her cradle.
Aemma never claimed a dragon, and she was the granddaughter of the king and queen and queen in her own right, but she had been born an Arryn and not a Targaryen (she was the daughter of Daella and Rodrik Arryn).
So, it's safe to say that no, dragons were not a Targaryen birthright, because if they were Jaehaerys and Alyssane's living children would have all had dragons, but they didn't. And the only people to ever have dragons were those in line for the throne, or heir-apparents.
The green kids had no birthright to dragons. Viserys was just a spineless fucking fool who gave great power to those who wished go usurp his lawful, rightful heir Rhaenyra. If Jaehaerys had been alive he'd have smacked Viserys silly for giving his children by Alicent dragons.
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Alysanne set Targaryen women back. Had she been less pussy watching her misogynist husband stealing their daughter and granddaughter crown in favor of men and just selling their daughters or sending them away like some rabid dogs (justice for Viserra!)… Oh and helping her brother to steal their sister’s crown (sister who damn near raised them). She pissed me off so bad, she’s going to hell with her nasty ass husband 🙏
Even though this is true in a real sense and she hadn't been fair to her own daughters, even with Gael (when she reasonably had the more breadth to change after losing her other daughters) & even is responsible for one's death, I do also see how tirelessly she worked for women in Westeros and they do have some form of protection from noblemen because of Alicent's "Queen's Laws" (right of 1st night abolished and the Widow's Law). These are meaningful acts, even though they had less impact on Targ women directly than they did on peasant folk and other noblewomen.
Two things can be true at once; she clearly had a lot of power with Jaehaerys but what she most wanted to do--to raise the female heir apparent and have Jaehaerys' naming a girl when that opportunity arose--she found that she hit Jaehaerys' limit(s), saw how little she could do to really negate his power as the king/really understood the consequences of what being a Queen consort meant in terms of the unequal powers and subservience, and I think she was compelled more and more down the years, without really realizing it consciously, to anticipate and shape her own actions, words, and plans around what she knew and felt he'd approve or allow. Which in turn affected how she'd view her daughters and how she'd arrange their lives. We see how she's condescendingly treated by the maesters at Oldtown when she visits when she remarks that she'd like to see female maesters and how Jaehaerys never makes a comment to perhaps back her up. (Condescending because they obviously don't believe that women can be as smart as them even with one clearly being in front of their face; they probably thought of Alysanne as an exception.) ("Birth, Death , and Betrayal"):
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It's quite obvious she felt more and more like she had no agency or control to do the actual things she wanted. I feel like there was most likely tiptoeing.
Yeah Jaehaerys said to Viserra that he doesn't interfere with Alysanne's decisions concerning marriages, but he says TWICE that Viserra's marriage to Theomore Manderly would be extremely beneficial to "the Iron Throne" ("Policy, Progeny, and Pain"):
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...Alysanne wasn't blind or deaf to this, she herself went North to convince Alaric Stark to be more amicable towards Jaehaerys and was involved in the deal of the New Gift. Alysanne was acting for Jaehaerys' interests and then seemed to justify the wrong by making as if Viserra was disrupting the harmony of the family Alysanne is supposed to have the higher authority over (again, note that she probably felt more of her authority & agency as illusory) as both the mother and the Queen Consort. Her decision to marry Viserra off to Theomore specifically was greatly due to it being what Jaehaerys most wanted.
While she never lost courage to bring up things or confront Jaehaerys completely, she did this less and less over the years. She was always much more limited than Rhaenys, Alyssa Velaryon, & Visenya concerning politics. Perhaps she felt this and-- By how she reacts to the Braxton Beesbury duel and how she progressively gloms onto Gael--she simultaneously opted to distance herself from Jaehaerys more and more without really making big confrontations until it came to the head of Saera running away, Daella dying, Viserra dying...when things are too late.
It's a pattern for sure, but a pattern I think Alysanne didn't feel she could get out of. Ironically, it matches Rhaena's own pattern of being "too late" in regards to Alyssa Velaryon and Aerea Targaryen's deaths. Both of these women seem to burrow into their psychological "safe spaces" or coping mechanisms and eventually harm or isolate themselves from those closest to them because they are compelled to try to preserve the smallest sense of agency their privileges as dragonriding Queens in a dynasty quickly assimilated into Andal patriarchy allows.
So, kinda sure. Yes she was complicit. She made her choices, but those choices were made under social compelled personal compromises. So, not too too much on Alysanne so as to make her equal to Jaehaerys. She wasn't perfect by far and again, was responsible for her kids' deaths (Viserra and Gael and Daella) but she can't be called the same or motivated similarly as Jaehaerys was nor that her actions would have been what they were if she hadn't lived in the misogynist setting with a sexist husband she married at 13 as she did. Another perfectly flawed, misguided female character, one who really wanted to "change the world" but was confined by her gender-exclusive role. She did deserve that "Good Queen" title.
Ironically, one of the only reprieves Viserra would have had if she had married Theomore was the very widow's Law that Alysanne made sure became a thing. A small and perhaps unsatisfactory "compensation", considering. Or a lifeline? Shows us all the more the precarious state of married life for women and girls.
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